Monday, January 2, 2012
Stop the Fisting!!!
In any military based system, the use of a fist is impractical and dangerous. Any system that advocates using a fist and is taught as self defense or in a military context should be re-examined as to it's authenticity in real world situations.
The reason that ko-ryu (old school) systems that were used to train samurai in hand to hand combat never used a fist and relied heavily on grappling and joint locks combined with limited edge of hand and heel of hand strikes when it came to hand to hand combat was because the person they were fighting was most likely wearing armor and the risk of injuring your fist to the point where gripping a weapon was impossible was a risk they did not take. Modern warriors both civilian and professional, should do the same.
Even the Okinawa fighting arts known for their development of the fore fist in the use of the reverse punch, avoided striking the head. Even though they advocated heavy fist conditioning, punching to hard areas of the body were ill-advised due to risk of severe injury or worse, infection. Before antibiotics and decent dental hygiene a cut on your hand from shattering someone's teeth may wind up turning septic and killing you. Even to this, traditional knock down karate restricts punching directly into the face. I realize that the modern reasoning for not punching the face has more to do with safety and sport, traditionally punching above the neck was avoided due to the a fore mentioned reasons.
Even western culture bare knuckle boxers from the Greeks and Romans forward would not only condition there fists by punching gravel and sand, but would go as far as to brine them to toughen the skin. The results were still not spectacular and the development of hand protection began to emerge to extend the careers of both the guy getting hit and the guy doing the hitting. After all, what good was a soldier who couldn't hold a spear if he broke his hand in training?
Once the glove came about, the physics of the punch changed completely. As glove technology evolved along with the use of wraps, punching became safer and became the number one mode of self defense in western worlds due to it's prevalence in modern sport. We live in a sporting society. Boxing, kick boxing and MMA all drink from the same fountain and to be honest, in the ring, with gloves, punching is the superior method. But in the street or in combat, it's a completely different story.
A soldier who is taught to punch in hand to hand combat is being lead down a slippery slope because the target you will be punching will be wearing some form of military gear, from a rifle sling to a helmet. I assure you that mashing your fist against either one of these is going to leave a mark and busting your knuckles in a fight renders your hand useless. Even a mild fracture will limit the use of your fingers and losing the use of even just your forefinger is a huge problem.
When you punch you focus on making contact with the first two knuckles of your hand, the index and ring fingers. When you break the knuckles of those two fingers (I know, I've done it three times) you can't grip anything with those fingers. That means you can't operate a firearm, hold a knife or a club. that hand is useless.
but it's not just the first two fingers that are exposed.
Your thumb can be easily dislocated as well. Anyone who has ever sparred with little foam gloves will complain about their thumbs being sore or injured. Make a fist and look at it from the front as if you were being punched with it. You'll see the top of the thumb is on the same plane as the punching surface of the fist. while you go through great lengths to make sure your knuckles make contact first, the thumb will almost always catch an arm, an elbow, the side of a cheek, anything other surface will take power away from your strike and place it on the back of your thumb, dislocating it.
Now imagine trying to rack a hand gun or even pull the trigger when even your index finger is broken. It doesn't matter which hand you break either since you still have to pull the rack to put a round in the chamber.
The edge of hand the obvious and time proven method for empty hand striking in real combat. There is still a chance you will dislocate a pinky or even the pinky and the ring finger, but even with that injury you still will be able to operate a firearm or hold a weapon because the forefinger and the middle finger are protected by being on the other side of the contact point of your hand. Whenever you engage in physical contact you run the risk of injury. The trick is to limit your exposure through methods that offer the lowest chance of injury to you and the most injury to your target. The samurai knew this and now you do too.
The heel of hand is another great method of striking. Here's a little test, go to a brick wall with a fist, start lightly (I mean really lightly) strike the surface with your knuckles. Increase intensity until you feel pain. Now do the same with the heel of your hand. You just answered your own question. Add to that the position of your fingers, pulled back and out of the way in a position that will allow the fingers to move and adapt to any change in surface level.
Sure, you will always run the risk of injury and yes, you can definitely punch somebody in the head and walk away, but it's the percentages that make a difference. The choice is yours, train in a way that runs a greater risk of injury, or begin to train practically and tactically in a manner that puts the odds in your favor. The truth is, most every self defense system from Krav Maga, Target Focus Training or "experts" like Jim Wagner and Kelly McCann advocate punching to the military personnel they train...I can't explain this.
The reason the SDTS was created was for one purpose only, self defense. If a fist was the most efficient and practical way of striking with the hand, we would be teaching it.
Train Honestly,
Damian Ross, CEO The Self Defense Company
Damian Ross is CEO of the Self Defense Company and developer of The Self Defense Training System, the most lethal and effective self defense system in the world, The Guardian Defensive Tactics Police Combatives Program, 60 minute Self Defense and the Family Safe Program. Mr. Ross also founded the Self Defense Instructor Program that helps people develop their self defense careers from the ground up. Mr. Ross is originally from Ridgewood, NJ where he was a High School Hall of Fame Athlete in football and wrestling as well as a varsity wrestling coach. He then went on to Lehigh University where he was a varsity wrestler and football player. Mr. Ross has 3 black belts, 4th Degree in Tekkenryu Jujutsu, 2nd Degree in Judo, 2nd Degree in Tae Kwon Do. In addition to his martial arts experience, Mr; Ross spent 8 years in the professional security and personal protection business. He is internationally recognized as one of the foremost authorities in reality based self defense.
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I am looking forward to my first set of DVDs. I have been looking for a system like this!
Mr. Ross, solid articulation, in combat punching with the fist is dangerous; especially if you punch, like you mentioned, with the index and second knuckle as your primary striking surface. However, a punch that is thrown using a 3 knuckle landing(as was originaly intended and integrated with proper use of the body's powerline, not only is a more powerful punch, but infinitely a much safer punch for the practioner.
Damian,
Happy and Healthy New Year!
Nice Blog on use of the fist. It took many years of training to realize that the punch was not as practical as Traditional Karate made it out to be.
I have been training and since 1974 in Judo, American Combat Karate, Shotokan and (Okinawan Goju Ryu for the past 25 years). I have trained with some 10th dans in Okinawa and they seem to shy away on fist techniques (bunkai) from the kata's.
I enjoy your website and Blogs.
Sincerely,
Jeff Miller
Melinda, Thank you and welcome to the team!
Johnny,
I'm going to have to disagree. The last two knuckles are vulnerable. Striking hard will cause what's called a boxer's fracture.
On the other hand when we were studying Okinawan "Te" systems for a brief period of time, the people we spoke with advocated the use of the index finger knuckle only. With each punch you're trying to literally stab your target with that single knuckle.
Jeff,
"Bunkai" I love it. I was going to use that reference in the post but I would have gone off on another tangent. It's a fact, most of the kata don't have a lot of fist techniques and the ones they do are to the body, not to the head.
Great point.
Great advice and great blog. The heel and edge of the hand is working verying well for me and gives me more confidence in striking without worrying if my hand will be injured. Thanks Damian.
Sir,
Hate to re-disagree with you but as a boxer the majority of hand fracture happen over the index and second knuckle next to our index finger.
If you look at the hand skeletal structure, you will notice that the bone strcture between the
middle finger and pinky is more more structually sound (dense and closer)
On the experience side, the only time I have done real damage to my fist is when throwing a punch and landing with the index, mid finger integration.
And seriously, I hate to guess how many punches I have thrown at various targets including heads and walls.
All this is not to say however, that I do not use palms, edges and fingers along with fist, forearm, shoulders and etc...
The last two knuckles are the knuckles I was referring too. (The first two are the striking knuckles). My mistake talking about the center knuckle and the last three knuckles. There are only four knuckles on the hand and for a moment I don't know what I was thinking.
But...you can develop the first knuckle on the index finger. I tend not to talk about who are what I have done because anyone can kind of google it and it gets boring. Look at bare knuckle fighters and more to the point Okinawan Te practitioners of old. BEFORE George Dillman and what has become hokus pokus, some of these people focused on the index finger knuckle. I understand about the construction of the hand, but adjusting the wrist position and the angle of contact enables you to put a shitload of power in the punch...looks like I need another video post. Oh check out Arsenio Advincula's old stuff, really good. http://www.isshinkai.net/history07-advincula.html
Just to clarify a few things that were incorrect in your statements.
Target Focus training does not advocate Teaching punches with the fist when teaching new students. in fact when they run their seminars the only times they may probably teach a strike with the fist would be when targeting the groin (if at all). Punching with the fist is saved for their more advanced classes where they have the time to ensure that the students understand the correct way to "pack" a fist. and even when we do use punches with a fist it is always to soft targets such as the groin,lower margin of the rib cage,throat,bladder etc.In TFT the fist is used VERY sparingly.
Please do your homework first before saying what a system teaches or does not teach
Avin,
The comment on the table is does target focus training teach or advocate fist strikes?
In your own words "the only times they may probably teach a strike with the fist would be when targeting the groin" and "Punching with the fist is saved for their more advanced classes" you words not mine. So in answer to the question YES, target focus training does teach and advocate the use of the fist.
If you are a student of target focus training wouldn't you know whether or not you use a fist strike to the groin? This is in response to your use of the word "probably".
Add to that Tim Larkin is on the cover of Black Belt throwing what...a fist (http://www.targetfocustraining.com/emails/blackbelt-cover).
I know it's important to you to defend your style, but please, be more informed. Maybe it's time to really take a look at your experience instead of blindly following. Not to worry, lemmings seem happy.
Damian, you said be wary of systems that teach you to strike Hard surfaces like the head with a fist, how does that equate to using a fist to strike a soft target such as the groin? Are you saying that a fist targeted at a groin is an improper tool for that job but an open knife hand to the guy's cranium or his ulna is?(because like you say in the vid below "doesn't matter if he puts his hands up just hack away") check the link below and tell me where you find improper "tool to target" and the "fisting" your talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNWTC6GXdo4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10_nk9HQebk
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